Jose Thyssen, JT mark - (not Janice Tchalenko )

https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t30008-bud-vase-j-t-mark-not-janice-tchalenko


Hi all again! Picked up this jug what I think is by Janice Tchalenko, apparently some of her stuff has been made by someone with fake marks. Question, is this jug genuine or fake.

very much her style and glaze choice, I would say it's by JT

On the Facebook Studio Pottery Mystery Pots And Marks page a member picked up some similar pieces and mark, he contacted Janice and she said they were not hers and were fake marks, she advised him to put an hammer to them. This was before she died. Anyway, I agree they look like the real McCoy to me, thanks for your reply and info.

well she would know
the underglaze is unlike any I have seen on a JT pot

dantheman wrote:well she would know
the underglaze is unlike any I have seen on a JT pot

I've moved it into the ID My Pottery section. There's a teapot with the same decoration which was sold by Maak and attributed to Tchalenko, but it's not a pattern on her website, nor is it a teapot shape that she's recorded to have made. Plus this mark, and another one I found, is JoTo. If it was just the mark that was unusual, but on a style that was obviously one of hers; or the style was unusual but it had her usual mark, then I'd say it was by Tchalenko. But the only thing that's similar is the glaze colours; and by someone with the same initials, everything else is different, so I don't think the attribution is proven.
I think the mark is different enough to say it's by a different potter who just happens to have the same initials, rather than someone deliberately trying to fake Tchalenko's work.

Very interesting NaomiM. Thanks for moving it to the ID Pottery Section, see if someone recognise the mark.

the design is sooo Tchalenko, I don't believe it is a coincidence

A set with the same shaped jug, imo, sold at a Burstow & Hewett auction in 2018 attributed to Tchalenko but only sold for £60 so it seems the buyers doubted the attibution. I've found several more pieces; none of which have Tchalenko's style / flair, but all attributed to her by various auction houses, and most described as having her early incised JT mark

https://pin.it/5erP29O

NaomiM wrote:A set with the same shaped jug, imo, sold at a Burstow & Hewett auction in 2018 attributed to Tchalenko but only sold for £60 so it seems the buyers doubted the attibution. I've found several more pieces; none of which have Tchalenko's style / flair, but all attributed to her by various auction houses, and most described as having her early incised JT mark

https://pin.it/5erP29O

Are there any Tchalenko marks in books or online to compare with the above marks.

There are no marks shown in the Tchalenko book.

3rd Edn BSPM book. Wooley & Wallis auctioned some utilitarian looking storage pots which had a stamped JT which they attributed to Tchalenko.

Tchalenko posted a jug in her archive which was her "First Decorative Piece 1979", which is in the style and decoration we are now so familiar with. And is nothing like these other jugs, bowls and teapot with the disputed incised JT mark, which the Marks book lists as her having used 1971-80. So I think that settles it for me; she'd stopped using that mark when she switched to making colourfully glazed pots.

http://www.janicetchalenko.com/archive#/1970-1979

Hello, I've seen this post https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t28622-jug-jt-or-joto-mark-janice-tchalenko?highlight=JANICE+TCHALENKO

...which is of a jug with the same pattern as this vase, where it was discussed if it could have been Janice Tchalenko. My vase marking looks like J.T. where are the jugs mark looks more like J.O. I wondered if this mark being slightly different made it any more or less likely to be Janice or if anyone knew who else might be the maker? Thank you :)

looks right to me, same colours as Black Rose

It's been attributed to her at auction but not her mark imo. There's a thread there -

20thcenturyforum.com/t28622-jug-jt-or-joto-mark-not-janice-tchalenko#200075

No, its definitely not Janice Tchalenko. She used a JT mark in the 1970's when her work was very much Leach school. After 1980 she used a full signature.

It does look very dartington though - wouldn't be surprised if it was a test piece by Janice...

Thanks everyone, I initially picked it up because it reminded me of her work.

By Jose Thyssen