It looks quite impossible to be Sawa, but the shape says it is
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It looks quite impossible to be Sawa, but the shape says it is
The reason I say this is because I didn't see any non-sgraffito vases coming from Sawa until now.
I was searching with google for the marking 239-12 and I found this in first instance:
http://fatlava.be/sawa.html
I refined my searches, I just couldn't believe this vase might be coming from Sawa, but the proof became more clear with this:
https://www.google.nl/search?q=sawa+239-12+keramik&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&hs=7T7&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=vqeyUOjnF8Ob0QXGsYHIDQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1422&bih=751
So... Could anybody confirm this vase here is a true Sawa product? I still doubt it, also because it's made with white clay, totally in contrary of what Sawa was using normally.
Oh, I nearly forgot: there's also a signature at the bottom, that says 'EV'.
That 'V' seems to reappear all the time at Sawa-vases...
I was searching with google for the marking 239-12 and I found this in first instance:
http://fatlava.be/sawa.html
I refined my searches, I just couldn't believe this vase might be coming from Sawa, but the proof became more clear with this:
https://www.google.nl/search?q=sawa+239-12+keramik&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&hs=7T7&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=vqeyUOjnF8Ob0QXGsYHIDQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1422&bih=751
So... Could anybody confirm this vase here is a true Sawa product? I still doubt it, also because it's made with white clay, totally in contrary of what Sawa was using normally.
Oh, I nearly forgot: there's also a signature at the bottom, that says 'EV'.
That 'V' seems to reappear all the time at Sawa-vases...
Zijperspace- Number of posts : 209
Location : Amsterdam, Netherlands
Registration date : 2012-10-09
Re: It looks quite impossible to be Sawa, but the shape says it is
I learn something new every day.
1. It´s earthenware with white clay i think, looks like salt glazed stoneware,
Marzi & Remy produced this "imitation" (M&R) successfully, Kera Bleu
Series mid 1960s onwards, Scheurich did it too and obviously Sawa and
poss. other companies. .
2. 200 range
J.L.Knödgen / Ilkra white & red clay, same shapes, different markings
F.Schwaderlapp FSR / Sawa red & sometimes white clay
Spang / Spara white clay.
What comes next ? Spara with red clay ?
btw these companies were located at Ransbach.
only Spang still exists.
btw 3 companies, the same location, the same range of form numbers,
sometimes mixed up with Schlossberg, it´s a bit confusing,
the dutch website on Sawa shows at least 1 Spara vase.
1. It´s earthenware with white clay i think, looks like salt glazed stoneware,
Marzi & Remy produced this "imitation" (M&R) successfully, Kera Bleu
Series mid 1960s onwards, Scheurich did it too and obviously Sawa and
poss. other companies. .
2. 200 range
J.L.Knödgen / Ilkra white & red clay, same shapes, different markings
F.Schwaderlapp FSR / Sawa red & sometimes white clay
Spang / Spara white clay.
What comes next ? Spara with red clay ?
btw these companies were located at Ransbach.
only Spang still exists.
btw 3 companies, the same location, the same range of form numbers,
sometimes mixed up with Schlossberg, it´s a bit confusing,
the dutch website on Sawa shows at least 1 Spara vase.
vhb64- Number of posts : 350
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Re: It looks quite impossible to be Sawa, but the shape says it is
That wrong Sawa-, but right Spara-vase must be nr 5 of the series, I guess...
Each time I read your comments, Volker, I learn a lot. Thank you so much. Although your remarks @2. (200 range) I don't fully get.
Am I right when I try to explain it to myself like this:
- Knödgen started Ilkra
- Schwaderlapp owned Sawa
- Spang was responsible for Spara (Spang @ Ransbach)
Did you notice some white clay Sawa pottery before? I totally forgot to mention that: this was the first thing that amazed me when I noticed it had the same marks as the other Sawa vase (which might not be a Sawa vase, if I understand you correctly).
Lots of questions, I'm sorry. But for me this is all new, meanwhile extremely fascinating. Thank for feeding this. :-)
Each time I read your comments, Volker, I learn a lot. Thank you so much. Although your remarks @2. (200 range) I don't fully get.
Am I right when I try to explain it to myself like this:
- Knödgen started Ilkra
- Schwaderlapp owned Sawa
- Spang was responsible for Spara (Spang @ Ransbach)
Did you notice some white clay Sawa pottery before? I totally forgot to mention that: this was the first thing that amazed me when I noticed it had the same marks as the other Sawa vase (which might not be a Sawa vase, if I understand you correctly).
Lots of questions, I'm sorry. But for me this is all new, meanwhile extremely fascinating. Thank for feeding this. :-)
Zijperspace- Number of posts : 209
Location : Amsterdam, Netherlands
Registration date : 2012-10-09
Re: It looks quite impossible to be Sawa, but the shape says it is
correct, no.5 is a Spara vase, form number 206.
"Knödgen started Ilkra" ? Ilkra stands for J.L.Knödgen at Ransbach, the akronym was created in the 1930s.
"Schwaderlapp owned Sawa" ? Stickers FSR / SAWA stand for Franz Schwaderlapp at Ransbach, there were other Schwaderlapps, (Jasba = Jakop Schwaderlapp at Ransbach-Baumbach), Kurt Schwaderlapp, Willi Schwaderlapp etc.
"Spang was responsible for Spara" ? Spara is an akronym for Spang at Ransbach
"Did you notice some white clay Sawa pottery before"? I didn´t, i´m learning ...
Thank you.
"Knödgen started Ilkra" ? Ilkra stands for J.L.Knödgen at Ransbach, the akronym was created in the 1930s.
"Schwaderlapp owned Sawa" ? Stickers FSR / SAWA stand for Franz Schwaderlapp at Ransbach, there were other Schwaderlapps, (Jasba = Jakop Schwaderlapp at Ransbach-Baumbach), Kurt Schwaderlapp, Willi Schwaderlapp etc.
"Spang was responsible for Spara" ? Spara is an akronym for Spang at Ransbach
"Did you notice some white clay Sawa pottery before"? I didn´t, i´m learning ...
Thank you.
vhb64- Number of posts : 350
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Re: It looks quite impossible to be Sawa, but the shape says it is
I found another 239-12:
Once again white clay. Signature looks like an 'R' going through the other marks. No sgraffito.
At the same time I found these:
Lovely-set-by-Sawa-in-perfect-condition-brown-with-a-decor-mid-century-ceramics
That's a genuine Sawa collection with also an 239-12 among it.
Once again white clay. Signature looks like an 'R' going through the other marks. No sgraffito.
At the same time I found these:
Lovely-set-by-Sawa-in-perfect-condition-brown-with-a-decor-mid-century-ceramics
That's a genuine Sawa collection with also an 239-12 among it.
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Zijperspace- Number of posts : 209
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Re: It looks quite impossible to be Sawa, but the shape says it is
its definetely a sawa form, i have one myself, but there may be the possibility that a later firm used their mould, but my guess would be they did these themselfes, but a lesser known series of them
the roman numbers of sawa, I also wonder alot of them, I often found VIII for example on the early forms, so I guess its the number of the artist that edged and painted
the roman numbers of sawa, I also wonder alot of them, I often found VIII for example on the early forms, so I guess its the number of the artist that edged and painted
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