Umarked Brown Bowl Cross Hatch Decoration - Japanese?

by **Oldmagpie** June 27th 2013, 4:35 pm

Haven't a clue on this any help appreciated, thanks

6.75" in diameter just under 3" deep

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Umarked Brown Bowl Cross Hatch Decoration - Japanese? Th_DSC_6272_zps9c0ff86e

Umarked Brown Bowl Cross Hatch Decoration - Japanese? Th_DSC_6273_zps9b3e40a5

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by **NaomiM** June 27th 2013, 5:19 pm

Looks like a rice bowl imported from the Far East, rather than Studio Pottery.

by **studio-pots** June 27th 2013, 8:35 pm

Agree with Naomi.

by **Oldmagpie** June 27th 2013, 9:06 pm

thanks both

by **Potty** June 27th 2013, 9:21 pm

Does the glaze appear to have shiny copper flecks on the brown areas inside the bowl?

by **Oldmagpie** June 27th 2013, 9:29 pm

Yes it does, it kind of looks like gold glitter within it

by **Potty** June 27th 2013, 9:47 pm

Is there anything raised around the foot or on the base that looks like it could be hiding a sprigged mark?

by **Oldmagpie** June 27th 2013, 10:09 pm

looked it over closely and cant see or feel anything on the foot or anywhere else for that matter

by **Potty** June 27th 2013, 10:25 pm

If it's made from a very fine stoneware then I think it's possibly an earlier piece by Andrew Crouch.

He used this glittery glaze on earlier pieces I've seen, the clay looks right in the pictures, as does the glaze inside the foot.

His work is usually very fine, as this seems to be, though usually the throwing lines are less prominent than these look in the picture. Decoration looks right to me.

Would expect it to be sprigged with his mark if it were his, but I've seen pieces defiantly by him that were unmarked.

by **Oldmagpie** June 27th 2013, 10:39 pm

Thanks Potty, it is fine stoneware and the bowl sides are about 3mm so fine-ish. I will have a look at him tomorrow and see if I can pin it to him or rule him out.

by **NaomiM** June 27th 2013, 10:52 pm

I see what you mean, Potty. I think it depends on whether it's a white porcelain (Far Eastern import) or a whitish stoneware (poss. Andrew Crouch).

by **Potty** June 27th 2013, 11:27 pm

Were it porcelain I'd agree about it probably being a factory made import, but magpie says it's fine stoneware and it does look it to me.

A lot of Andrews work is very precise and does look like it could well be factory made. The 2 mugs I got recently look like they could have come from M&S. Big Laughter

by **NaomiM** June 28th 2013, 12:15 am

Looking at a few examples of Andrew's bases, it seems he uses a grogged clay. It this one grogged?

by **Potty** June 28th 2013, 12:22 am

I don't think I've ever seen a piece by him that I would think is grogged, some were coarser stoneware than others, but still comparatively fine for stoneware, in my opinion anyway.

by **NaomiM** June 28th 2013, 12:25 am

Well 'bitty', then. ie, visible little bits in the clay body, as though it contained a finely ground grog. There wouldn't be any bits in it if it was porcelain. so, Magpie, is this one smooth or bitty?

by **Oldmagpie** June 28th 2013, 1:39 pm

Thanks to you both for your thoughts.

I have had a chance to look at this in daylight. I have to admit to not being the that great at the nuances of clay types Embarrassed

, having studied it with an eyeglass I do not see any real signs 'bits' within the body it has a slightly quartz like look to me which might suggest porcelain, but it is off white as opposed to the purer whites I would normally associate with porcelain and it 'feels' softer than porcelain with the teeth test, but on the flip side it seems much finer if stoneware than most I have seen. So due to lack of experience on my part I cant give a defining answer to what its made of, I think I will err on the side of caution for now and go with porcelain import unless I can contact the potter and ask him Shrugs

by **Potty** June 28th 2013, 3:59 pm

Potty wrote:some were coarser stoneware than others, but still comparatively fine for stoneware, in my opinion anyway.

I'll stick Cheeky

(though I'm still not saying "it is" by him, only a possibility)

Contacting the potter is the only way you'll know for sure.

I've only seen the copper glittery glaze (hard to describe) on pieces by Andrew Crouch, but there could be imports with that glaze.

P.S. A close up of the foot rim would probably show the clay better.

by **Oldmagpie** June 28th 2013, 4:15 pm

As close as I can get

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I checked for his details no website or email only a phone number, bit difficult to describe over the phone, but I might pluck up the courage to ring him, will think about it. Pondering

by **Potty** June 28th 2013, 4:43 pm

It's hard to say, far east is still most likely, but I'd still not rule him out as a possibility.

Here is what I mean in my previous quotes about him using finer stoneware and it not appearing to be "grogged":

Umarked Brown Bowl Cross Hatch Decoration - Japanese? 110

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From the pieces I've seen by Andrew, this is his medium coarseness of stoneware used (Bottom Left), compared with Mike Dodd (Bottom Right) and Yo Thom (Top).

AlanH has a couple of jars that are made from a finer/lighter stoneware.

https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t7572-andrew-crouch-the-marches-pottery

by **NaomiM** June 28th 2013, 6:36 pm

I think it would be pretty obvious if the clay had bits in, so if you can see them then I'd be confident in saying it's porcelain.
Tbh, the high footrim also points to Far Eastern manufacture.

by **NaomiM** July 5th 2013, 10:26 pm

Another one has popped up on you-know-where. Listed as JAPANESE>STUDIO POTTERY>STONEWARE>PERSIMMON>RICE BOWL Not definitively id-ed as Japanese, but adds to the liklihood that it is.

by **Potty** July 6th 2013, 1:10 am

Regardless of if the seller is correct, the ebay bowl does look to be from the same place and it's very unlikely to find 2 unmarked pieces by Andrew Crouch that match like that so conveniently. The ebay bowl I'd not have even considered Andrew Crouch as a possibility.

The seller does say it's stoneware though Cheeky

by **Oldmagpie** July 6th 2013, 9:48 pm

Looks pretty much the same as mine so imported Japanese rice bowl seems to be the answer.

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