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http://www.millersantiquesguide.com/items/85313/ewenny-zoomorphic-pig-jug-the/

this is an attribution by millers guide and the link below an ebay item

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HORACE-ELLIOTT-EWENNY-POTTERY-ZOOMORPHIC-PIG-JUG-/151192755223?pt=UK_PotteryPorcelain_Glass_PotteryPorcelain_China_SM&hash=item2333ca5c17#ht_93wt_1163

As both are unmarked I wonder how they have reached the conclusion ( millers that is , the seller is only following them )

Elliot was an Eccentric , he visited various potteries and exhibited in his showroom i london , he also madevarious pieces at ewenny on his yearly visits , he marked pieces with Elliot or with fleur de lys stamps and registered his work including a jug in the form of a pig inscribed " Y Mochin " the pig , anybody think these may be copies , why would he leave out signature and inscribes ? and reg no's. ?

just curious as I like the jug .

Ebay one looks like a later copy of the one on the Millers website.

Whether either of them are by Elliot &/or Ewenny is another question, but Ewenny has been going for a very long time so if any pottery were going to produce a copy I'd say it was them.
Alternatively if could be Continental, but if that was there case there should be more of them around.

Here's one by Elliot for comparison, so it seems the Millers one is right, but the ebay one still looks like a later copy.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Important-19th-Cen-Ewenny-Horace-Elliot-Zoomorphic-Pig-Wood-Badger-Beer-Jug-/370962176226?pt=UK_PotteryPorcelain_Glass_PotteryPorcelain_China_SM&hash=item565f1198e2&nma=true&si=eV3qaOIeukVRL%252BRDOIqNLL%252BIXig%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

But 5 different bidders seem to think it's right, so maybe it is.

Another one of Elliots:

http://www.invaluable.com/catalog/viewLot.cfm?afRedir=true&lotRef=0i8w3pbbu7&scp=c&ri=305

thanks for the links Naomi , I have some info on Elliot from my Bartlett book , I think your right about the ebay one being a copy , it isn't as elaborate as the others imo , but I might be totally wrong , i'll look further for others , Ta , Ed

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19105/lot/497/

this one from bonhams states from an elliot design , so maybe not always made by him personally although the 1900 date would be correct .

I think, on balance, it's a recent copy.

Unless they have changed their ways Miller's ask a dealer if they can take some pictures of their stock and then ask the dealer for the description and price of what they have photographed.

just read that he was happy to let others at ewenny execute his designs , SP yes i thought that as I know quite a few of the names in the millers book and most of it is fantasy ,although I thought the auction quotes were actual .

I've always assumed the prices were a mix of actual auction figures, estimates and wishful thinking, but mostly wishful thinking .

That's correct , that's exactly what they are   

I think any value should be a sold value not a 200% over the top estimate, other wise what is the point , some prices from Millers from 6/7 years ago look truly ludicrous now as the real market has dropped by so much as well , but true quality always shines through and holds its price and even increases in bad times.

things do go in phases though and Millers is called ( caustiously) a Guide , nice pics though   

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