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Post by CMcNair Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:36 pm

olive green lidded dish possibly 50's-60's <a href=olive green lidded dish possibly 50's-60's 100_1516" />Help required to identify this lidded dish.  It is earthenware olive green lidded dish possibly 50's-60's <a href=olive green lidded dish possibly 50's-60's 100_1515" />approx 6" wide by 3.5" high.  It has an unusual handle as pictured and an identifying mark on the side near the base. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Post by Potty Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:43 pm

Hmmm a hard one Big Laughter

Leach Pottery St Ives, part of their "Standard Ware" production I assume. (others on here will know more)

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Post by studio-pots Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:03 pm

It's not earthenware and might be porcelain. Also it's quite unusual for the Leach Pottery and not part of their regular Standard Ware range.

Can we have a side view?

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Post by Potty Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:20 pm

It is not a 21/22 from here but with a celadon glaze?

http://www.ceramike.com/LeachPottery/StandardWarePots/1970s.asp

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Post by studio-pots Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:32 pm

That's part of the reason that I wanted a side view, Potty, but looking at the bottom of this item I don't think it is as large as either of them.

The two items you refer to are lidded baking dishes in stoneware with an internal glaze in tenmoku, mottled grey/brown or celadon green. They were 5 and 5.5 inches in height and had diameters of 7.5 and 8.75 inches. Also as this looks like porcelain it wouldn't have been used for something that was put in an oven.

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Post by CMcNair Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:27 pm

I found a picture online for this dish after potty told me what it was, and I started researching Bernard Leach, it appears to have been included in the 1952 catalogue, and is described as porcelain lidded dish. The finish does look like celadon green (very like a cup presently for sale on ebay). Will take some more photos.
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Post by CMcNair Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:35 pm

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Post by studio-pots Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:07 pm

The Standard Ware range was started c1939 so didn't get into full production until the late 1940s and I saw it suggested that it included almost 100 different items at one time. Porcelain items were included initially and I have been able to find your lidded dish in the 1954 catalogue as well. I found a mid 1960s catalogue that only contained stoneware so at some date in between the use of porcelain was stopped.

It would be interesting to know when and I wonder if it was around the time the Janet took over running the operation in 1956?

Whatever porcelain wares are considerably less common than stoneware domestic items produced at the Leach Pottery and having seen your lidded bowl from the side I do think I might have only seen one other "in the flesh".

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Post by Potty Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:27 pm

I'm curious SP, why would you not want to use porcelain in the oven?


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Post by studio-pots Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:40 pm

Being a domestic god, I know that it would quite likely crack.

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Post by Potty Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:00 am

studio-pots wrote:Being a domestic god, I know that it would quite likely crack.

Oh, I've never had any porcelain crack due to temprature extremes (oven/freezing), guess I was lucky Laughter

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Post by studio-pots Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:18 am

Porcelain used in Factory produced wares would be far more robust and some especially formulated to withstand heat shock.

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Post by denbydump Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:18 am

I remember a studio potter on one of Lars Tharp programs on Chinese porcelain,
demonstrating just how tough a material it can be.
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Post by CMcNair Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:14 pm

That's very interesting, so it is probably 1950's. I have no intention of putting it in the oven!
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Post by studio-pots Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:06 pm

I don't know but I would be surprised if this lidded bowl continued to be made into the 1960s and, although we have our doubters, I think you're wise not to stick it in the oven.

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Post by Potty Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:16 pm

CMcNair wrote:I have no intention of putting it in the oven!

Wuss! Big Laughter

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