stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
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stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
I have this glazed stoneware plate with handles from the 60s or 70s, I think, with blue floral decoration and two stamps on the back. It measures about 12" across and weighs over 2 pounds. I would be grateful for any information anyone might be able to give me -- possibly someone knows what the maker's mark is? Thanks very much!
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Looks like BT and FP marks. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with US potters
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Thank you! I actually don't know why I assumed this was American. Just because I acquired it in the U.S. doesn't mean anything. The closest in style I've seen through random internet searches is Robert Tinnyunt who's British.
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Useful site for US marks. Unfortunately I couldn't find these ones on it
http://themarksproject.org
http://themarksproject.org
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Yes, thank you, I did look there. Do you think it's possible this is British? I have no idea how to tell where it's from by the style, but perhaps I should be looking at British marks instead...?
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
They're not in my 1999 copy of the British Studio Pottery Marks book, but it's possible it's in the latest edition
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Thanks again! Is there any way to tell British vs American pottery by looks or style?
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
subtle differences in style,we look at millions of British pots so when it doesn't quite fit we know it's foreign
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Thanks, that's sort of what I figured. I am just starting to learn about pottery and realize that it's quite complicated. So, then, -- do you think this is American, or British?
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
not British but I know next to nothing about American pottery
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Thanks! Me neither!
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
It does look like a professional piece. The glaze colours are unusual and point to a US origin, but the rest could easily be British. Maybe by someone trained by someone who was originally at St Ives.
I'll ask some US collectors I know and see if they recognise the marks.
I'll ask some US collectors I know and see if they recognise the marks.
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Thank you so much, that is very kind of you.
OK, this is dumb, but when you say it looks like a "professional" piece, do you mean you think it was made by an actual named studio potter rather than a student or amateur?
OK, this is dumb, but when you say it looks like a "professional" piece, do you mean you think it was made by an actual named studio potter rather than a student or amateur?
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Yes, made by a trained and experienced potter.
A US friend has just got back to me to say they also have a piece by this potter which is stamped and signed but they only have a partial ID. The first mark is actually AP for A. Patrick. Made in the '90s
The search goes on :)
A US friend has just got back to me to say they also have a piece by this potter which is stamped and signed but they only have a partial ID. The first mark is actually AP for A. Patrick. Made in the '90s
The search goes on :)
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Wow, thanks! I never would've seen AP in that mark.
So now I have a second question: why would there be two marks, and would a partial ID mean one had identified only the studio and not the particular potter, or something else?
So now I have a second question: why would there be two marks, and would a partial ID mean one had identified only the studio and not the particular potter, or something else?
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
The second mark is likely to be the pottery name, which is likely to be its location; a village or town or just the building name. So far we only know the potter's surname and initial.
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Just had a positive ID -
Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany, Indiana
Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany, Indiana
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Re: stoneware plate with handles - Alan Patrick, Bethel Pike Pottery, Albany,
Thank you so much! You and your friend have been so helpful!
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