Large Studio Jug.

by **Potty** February 7th 2018, 12:06 am

Looking for some opinions on this one please:

Large Studio Jug. Img_2011

Thanks for looking.

by **philpot** February 7th 2018, 8:20 am

Have you got any dimensions? The bigger the jug the more skill there is needed in making it.

by **NaomiM** February 7th 2018, 10:22 am

Looks big. Not ringing any bells

by **Potty** February 7th 2018, 6:13 pm

philpot wrote:Have you got any dimensions? The bigger the jug the more skill there is needed in making it.

It's 12 Inches tall, or slightly over. About 11 1/2 Inches wide at it's widest point. So it's huge compared to anything in my collection at least.

by **studio-pots** February 19th 2018, 6:54 pm

It looks to have some age and the handle and form look very well thought out and professional. The clay body looks unusual. Do you know what clay body it is, the image suggests porcelain, as the grain looks very fine? However, to throw porcelain would have been extremely difficult to that size and in that manner.

by **Potty** February 19th 2018, 7:07 pm

It's seems to be slighly grogged (fine grit) stoneware, quite a pale grey colour.

Does seem to have age, has a few firing cracks to the foot, but they are more on the surface and don't go though the pot.

by **bluenote** February 19th 2018, 9:50 pm

Nice piece. Is it iron oxide giving it the black decoration. Have you a direct shot of the handle - it looks to be hand pulled - and its finish on the bottom

by **Potty** March 15th 2018, 10:08 pm

bluenote wrote:Nice piece. Is it iron oxide giving it the black decoration. Have you a direct shot of the handle - it looks to be hand pulled - and its finish on the bottom

Sorry missed this reply.

The handle is pulled and I've taken a couple of pictures (bad pictures sorry, as did not want to move it, it's pretty big).

Large Studio Jug. Img_2015

It's been suggested that it could be Sam Haile, below are a picture from the book on his work (a jug with similar thrown spout and pulled handle) and a link to a pot with similar clay/throwing rings and decoration.

Large Studio Jug. Img_2017

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/thomas-sam-haile-1908-1948-a-large-stoneware-216-c-55b4681bbb

by **philpot** March 15th 2018, 10:18 pm

Sam Haile would be a very,very long shot. There a several of his jugs in the V&A collection, and none of them have either shapes or handles remotely anything like this.

by **Potty** March 15th 2018, 10:46 pm

While it may be a long shot, Sam Haile did produce jugs and vases in this shape and similar pulled handles.

The ones in the V&A all appear to be late work?

This is has a lot of differences, but shape and handle are similar:

http://www.artnet.com/artists/sam-haile/pitcher-with-slip-decoration-Vx6kaU5cqTEPJJ4ShkGn9w2

by **Potty** March 15th 2018, 11:01 pm

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/thomas-sam-haile-1908-1948-a-large-stoneware-216-c-55b4681bbb#

The shape is different, but a lot of mine does share a lot in common with these. e.g. throwing rings / roughness, clay colour / texture and how much of the base is left unglazed.

by **22 Crawford St.** March 15th 2018, 11:08 pm

http://www.artnet.com/artists/sam-haile/exceptional-honey-colored-vase-JfxY5Lcq2ELXSvpgoB71Hw2

there may be something in that suggestion

by **Potty** March 15th 2018, 11:13 pm

22 Crawford St. wrote:http://www.artnet.com/artists/sam-haile/exceptional-honey-colored-vase-JfxY5Lcq2ELXSvpgoB71Hw2

there may be something in that suggestion

Mine also has sections that are dark and shiny, matt and lighter areas. Even has the same slight glaze blisters.

by **philpot** March 16th 2018, 7:14 am

The whole point about Sam Haile is that he was a pupil of William Staite Murray, and did a lot of innovative and stylish potting and decoration, that chimed with the 1930's He died at the age of 39, and his whole potting career in this country was not that much more than a decade.
Your jug bears none of that stylistic genius. If you have ever seen a Sam Haile pot, then you can see why he is remembered. His work is very rare, and most of it came from his wife Marianne De Trey.
Paul Rice is the writer of that book you mentioned. Contact him for his opinion.
As with all pottery that is unsigned provenance would be everything. Where did you get it?

by **Potty** March 16th 2018, 7:40 am

philpot wrote:The whole point about Sam Haile is that he was a pupil of William Staite Murray, and did a lot of innovative and stylish potting and decoration, that chimed with the 1930's He died at the age of 39, and his whole potting career in this country was not that much more than a decade.

The throwing of this jug does certainly have a William Staite Murray influance, in my opinion at least.

philpot wrote:Your jug bears none of that stylistic genius. If you have ever seen a Sam Haile pot, then you can see why he is remembered.

Not all of his pots were that memorable in terms of decoration, have you looked at the vases I posted the link for? Both of them are marked with Sam Haile's seal.

by **NaomiM** March 16th 2018, 10:56 am

His Slipware pieces certainly show his ‘genius’, but there are also mediocre pots of his around that get much less publicity so I think genius is pushing it a bit

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