Studio pottery

The only thing I have ever learnt in buying Studio Pottery.
If you cannot recognise or identify the mark.
Its Not worth buying!

philpot wrote:The only thing I have ever learnt in buying Studio Pottery.
If you cannot recognise or identify the mark.
Its Not worth buying!

I'm afraid I can't disagree more

big ed wrote:Ah ! now Potty that was the name I was trying to remember , he did this kinda stuff and incised mark , but the start of the signature is throwing me , but your on the right lines pottery style wise , I'll have a look around , Thanks .

Of his pot's that I have "seen", at least 50% I have found the signature to be illegible, so I think it's still may be possible despite the start of the mark being off, the rest of the signature looks about right to me.

Potty wrote:

philpot wrote:The only thing I have ever learnt in buying Studio Pottery.
If you cannot recognise or identify the mark.
Its Not worth buying!

I'm afraid I can't disagree more

Would you care to expand on 'Disagreement?

philpot wrote:

Potty wrote:

philpot wrote:The only thing I have ever learnt in buying Studio Pottery.
If you cannot recognise or identify the mark.
Its Not worth buying!

I'm afraid I can't disagree more

Would you care to expand on 'Disagreement?

Nothing more to add really, I simply disagree you with on the above statement

me too,if it were true you would have needed to know a great deal when you started collecting

Iv'e bought loads of pots without knowing the maker , but I do recognise quality or a bargain when I see it .

Exactly - I love looking back over my collection and seeing how I've learned and how my tastes have changed over time as a result

Potty wrote:

philpot wrote:

Potty wrote:

philpot wrote:The only thing I have ever learnt in buying Studio Pottery.
If you cannot recognise or identify the mark.
Its Not worth buying!

I'm afraid I can't disagree more

Would you care to expand on 'Disagreement?

Nothing more to add really, I simply disagree you with on the above statement

Bit of a dead end then....

The exitement in buying something one knows nothing about.
Is the hunt!
But...

I buy pots primarily on taste and quality, so even if I never find out who made something, I still like it regardless.

This for example:

https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t11032-studio-pottery-teapot-inscribed-mark

I don't know who made it, but love it regardless.

80% of the time if I buy something that I really like, I do eventually find out who made it.

Define
'Taste'
Entirely subjective.
and
'Quality'
Entirely down to fashion of the moment.

You seem to be missing my point entirely phil.

Of course taste is subjective, I buy to my taste, it would be daft for me to buy to someone else's tastes.

I also can't see what quality has to do with fashion I simply mean how well something has been made.

When you are buying, if you buy what you like then can you ever go wrong and if its not to someone elses tastes who cares its down to the buyer i have pieces that range in value from £1's to well over £1000s and to be honest i prefer some of my cheaper unknown pots by far , my taste, has it always got to be about value /

So in the end it is entirely subjective then?
One uses terms. But in the end,they themselves are defined by one's own tastes and prejudices.
'Well made'.....Almost entirely down to the style of thing one likes.
Equally Quality...
What does it actually mean?
What prism of interpretation to we look at it through?

Did anyone see Grayson Perry's tv programme on 'Taste' ? I missed it but I hear it was very thought provoking

philpot wrote:So in the end it is entirely subjective then?
One uses terms. But in the end,they themselves are defined by one's own tastes and prejudices.
'Well made'.....Almost entirely down to the style of thing one likes.
Equally Quality...
What does it actually mean?
What prism of interpretation to we look at it through?

Again I can't agree sorry.

Quality and style are (in my opinion) two very different things.

I can love the style of something of poor quality or hate the style of something exceptionally well made.

What quality actually means if not something that is easy to sum up, but learned over time.

Skillfully made would be one example, say if something looks "rough", does it look that way through poor potting or by the potters intent. The latter would be a sign of quality.

philpot wrote:The only thing I have ever learnt in buying Studio Pottery.
If you cannot recognise or identify the mark.
Its Not worth buying!

That's just about true for someone attempting to make a living out of buying and selling studio pottery but that is not the real motive for most members of this Forum.

Quality will out. You can always look up the mark at a later date, but you're likely to miss it if you don't buy it when you see it.

philpot wrote:So in the end it is entirely subjective then?
One uses terms. But in the end,they themselves are defined by one's own tastes and prejudices.
'Well made'.....Almost entirely down to the style of thing one likes.
Equally Quality...
What does it actually mean?
What prism of interpretation to we look at it through?

There ARE good and bad pots. If you see and handle enough, it is possible to tell the difference. It isn't simply down to taste. Witness some of the pots put up for ID on here. Frankly some are awful but the posters haven't learned to tell good from bad yet. Usually we are too polite to point it out.

All I know is that if I only bought pieces that I have recognised the maker then I would have lost out in quite a few choice pieces , recognising a name isn't enough and sometimes a name can even be counter productive when selling , you have to know a little bit more when you are going to be selling to the general public, things like what's in vogue etc is a help , remembering costs etc all come into play , if you know what your looking for you can make some nice little profits that can go towards buying what you really really want , it's not rocket science , buy cheap as you can sell as high as you can .

The problem with our local charity shops is the staff only remember the name which is why a lot of bog standard Poole, Meakin, Caithness, etc, etc, ends up over priced in the window for weeks on end and doesn't sell.