DL mark Leach St Ives Pottery - Not Peter Lane or David Leach

Edited: Another example of the mark:
https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t34235-wenford-bridge-pottery-dl-mark-not-peter-lane-david-lawson-or-dawn-lech


Does anyone know what this second mark is? I know what it looks like and I would love to think that the two were meant to be together, as in fact they are. I was reading something on here about fakes made in Chinese prisons.

Looks like DL. David Leach?? - Edited: very unlikely to be by David Leach. Not a mark ever attributed to him.

Not Dawn Lech's mark

The mark has also been found on a Wenford Bridge pot. Not David Lawson or Peter Lane - they said they've never worked at Wenford Bridge Pottery

Paul Lajoire?

This is the pot. It looks pretty much like a Standard ware large tureen to me.
The inside green glaze is very familiar. But why and when would David Leach have put his mark on it?

big ed wrote:

Yes, Standard Ware, very like Big Ed's one, above.
I guess he marked it simply because he made it.

Yes exactly, I think it was David that was instrumental in starting this type of ware .

Heres a partial list of potters and pupils, but I don't see another DL or LD.

http://www.cornishceramics.com/pleach.htm

Well there are catalogue pages showing this 'stew pot' in the 40s and 50s. If it's David Leach's mark then presumably it was made while he was there in the 30-50s.

I read he was instrumental in introducing the standard ware when he came back in 1938 when he made a few changes at the pottery , I can see no reason at all to doubt it is his mark , maybe it's an earlier piece ,who knows , but for me it's ok Ld , St ives , noone else fits the bill   

I don't know if it is a mark used by David Leach or not but the spoon hole on your piece is something that I don't think I have seen on Standard Ware tureens.

Ed is correct about David developing the Standard Ware and it could be a prototype but I am only guessing.

http://www.ceramike.com/LeachPottery/StandardWarePots/LeachStandardWare.asp

some tureens /stew pots with spoon holes , various sizes

Thanks Ed - I suppose I don't take much notice of casseroles and their orifices!

However, it is interesting that Mike in the link says that he has used the 1946 and 1952 catalogues and the holes are not shown in a later catalogue that I have, so they seem to have been phased out at some point perhaps in the 1960s.

This is still the only piece of St Ives Leach Pottery that I have come across that might be by David Leach and that is possibly marked by him. Without any others for comparison it is difficult to be sure. The seller told me that he had bought it from David himself a long time ago so it may be right.

It's Leach St Ives standard ware which everyone at the pottery was expected to make, so it's unusual to find one with a monogram. Could be David's but not one of his recorded marks

Although Bernard might have discussed with David what he wanted from the Standard Ware range at the Leach Pottery, it was really David who refined it and came up the prototypes. This lidded bowl looks like a piece of Standard Ware and it would not have been the type of thing that individual potters would have marked at the pottery and so, for me, the story is plausible. I haven't seen that personal seal before so you are correct that it isn't really possible to give a definitive answer without more evidence.

Edited: Via another group, in reference to the same stamp on a Wenford Bridge Pottery pot: "Peter Lane says he never worked at Wenford Bridge though admitted the mark looked like his early stamp"

The mark might be Peter Lane's monogram, but he's not listed as potting at St Ives in BSPM marks book
Here's one with his mark, signed, and dated 1961.  But not quite the right font so still a mystery

There is also never been any suggestion in any of the books or research that Peter Lane had been to the Leach Pottery. Lane studied at the Bath Academy of Art in Corsham and then afterwards teaching was his main occupation until her retired from that profession in 1987 after 30 years. During the teaching period he did make and develop his pottery but, if he had worked at the Leach Pottery I can't see how that wouldn't have been documented.

Similar mark on this wenford bridge piece a couple of months ago.

https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t34235-wenford-bridge-pottery-mystery-mark#225576