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Post by bistoboy May 28th 2012, 8:24 pm

i think these are possibly italian? the handles are modelled like lion heads and the central design motif looks like a griffin? any info or suggestions would be appreciated. no marks underneath


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Post by Potty May 28th 2012, 8:37 pm

I'd have thought Italian is right, it's what I'd call Sgraffito decoration.

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Post by NaomiM May 28th 2012, 8:40 pm

Looks tin glazed/Maiolica over terracotta. The rim shape, and faces on the shoulders look late 17th early 18th Century Italian - although it could be a late 19th-early 20th Century copy.
On balance I'd agree Italian, maybe Deruda, but I haven't seen that style of decoration before.

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Post by NaomiM May 28th 2012, 8:47 pm

Further digging has thrown up this:

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Blue and white vase with oak-leaf decor, Florence, 1430. Louvre Museum

from: http://uk.ask.com/wiki/Maiolica
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Post by NaomiM May 28th 2012, 8:49 pm

...please don't tell me they're in a charity shop.

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Post by bistoboy May 28th 2012, 8:51 pm

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1975.1.1061 found something similar - ish
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Post by NaomiM May 28th 2012, 8:53 pm

... I'd say 17th/18th Century Italian maiolica jars, possibly Savona, copying early Florence oak-leaf pattern.
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Post by bistoboy May 28th 2012, 8:56 pm

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=81189&partid=1&output=Places%2f!!%2fOR%2f!!%2f42021%2f!%2f42021-2-11%2f!%2fMade+in+Florence%2f!%2f%2f!!%2f%2f!!!%2f&orig=%2fresearch%2fsearch_the_collection_database%2fadvanced_search.aspx¤tPage=1&numpages=200

so, mine are possibly in the manner of giunta di tuigo?
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Post by Potty May 28th 2012, 8:58 pm

I'd have said late 19th/early 20th century, hope I'm wrong, but this is my gut feeling.

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Post by bistoboy May 28th 2012, 9:00 pm

yeah, i'm not getting my hopes up. will try to get them to an auction house for advice i think. or send pics to the british museum to get the opinion
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Post by NaomiM May 28th 2012, 9:32 pm

Also in the V&A: http://www.vam.ac.uk/users/sites/default/files/album_images/49903-large.jpg

Drug jar with leopards, Italy

Drug jar with leopards
Italy, probably Florence
1420-50
Tin-glazed earthenware, with decoration painted into the glaze
Museum no. 2562-1856

About 1400, Tuscan potters began to make tin-glazed wares inspired by imports from Spain. They used a thicker, whiter glaze with designs crudely applied in cobalt blue, often with outlines in manganese purple. The expensive tin was only used on visible surfaces: the interior is lead-glazed.

A row of such boldly patterned drug jars would have been an impressive feature of a hospital pharmacy.

The the shape of your jars is 17th Century, Italy.

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Post by bistoboy May 28th 2012, 9:50 pm

thanks for all your help - will need to do plenty more research i think
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Post by Potty May 28th 2012, 10:07 pm

http://italianpotterymarks.freeforums.org/sgraffito-urn-t33.html

Not as nice, but I think it's more along the lines of your vases. (I.e. the design being etched into the earthenware body itself)

I'd have guessed yours was made between 1890-1920.

But of course you'd need to show them to an actual specialist if you want to be sure there not "something more".

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Post by bistoboy May 28th 2012, 10:11 pm

just had a very generous message from an AR expert who thinks, from the pictures, they're prob 70-100 years old.
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