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Post by sunnyices2 Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:12 pm

WHAT DATE WILL DATE THIS ITEM DEFIANTLY CHINESE RIGHT? WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THIS BOWL PLATE ANY CLUE?

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Post by sunnyices2 Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:15 pm

Made in the style of Katherine Pleydell-Bouverie design or could this be ming period? as it look very old
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Post by studio-pots Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:47 pm

Too good for KPB and it does look Chinese.

However, the reason that I don't buy Chinese ceramics is that I find it so difficult to say whether they are a thousand years old or made yesterday.

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Post by NaomiM Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:55 pm

Very nice.
Probably Korean.
The age depends on the depth of the carved or impressed pattern under the glaze - the depth became far more shallow towards the 20th Century.
Not a pattern I've seen before so I can't say more.
Worth asking on http://gotheborg.com

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Post by NaomiM Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:57 pm

just to add, you can't go by crazing of the glaze to estimate age - modern pieces are often crazed.

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Post by NaomiM Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:23 pm

Found one with the same pattern, but different shape, on ebay, listed as "15th - 16th Century Chinese LongQuan Celadon Enameled Lotus Bowl"

Doesn't necessarily mean this is also 15-16th Century, or that the one in the ebay listing is 15-16th Century.
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Post by NaomiM Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:24 pm

Correction, pattern is similar, but not the same.

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Post by NaomiM Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:25 pm

My gut feeling is this is a modern copy.

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Post by sunnyices2 Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:30 pm

i know where i will take it to Chinese specialist Christies auction
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Post by studio-pots Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:30 pm

Judging the age of any item really can only be done by feeling and examining it closely, so taking it to a specialist is your best bet.

One other point to make is that if it was made fairly recently that doesn't mean that it was done to deceive, as in Chinese ceramics the finest wares have been copied down the ages to pay homage to the originals.

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Post by NaomiM Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:33 am

Some of the potteries are still in production, using the same designs, same clays, and same firing methods that their ancestors used hundreds of years ago.

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Post by NaomiM Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:39 am

IF you search on "YAOZHOU CELADON BOWL SONG DYNASTY" you'll find a number of similar bowls. They have been in production from the 10th to the 19th Century, and maybe to present day.

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Post by Potty Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:42 am

I doubt it has much age, but it is very nice.

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Post by NaomiM Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:41 pm

The carved ones go for a lot more than the moulded ones. Having had a bit of time to search I'm coming up with a number of bowls with this design and varying colours of glaze, which implies it's moulded and probably a later 19th Century copy.

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