Myott and Son

Hi, I have a dinner set in the pattern below, I am not 100% sure if its real Myott or a Chinese / Foreign rip off, any confirmation one way or the other would be appreciate.

Unlikely to be a Chinese copy. Myott is not one of the highly collectable potteries like Carlton ware or Clarice Cliff.

It is Myott and I think from the 1950s. I remember seeing it around 25 to 30 years ago.

your plate is indeed 1930's and the 2628F is the pattern number. Myott china was mass produced along with many other manufacturers. I found the pattern on the Replacements website but no pattern name, the earlier patterns never seemed to have a name

I inherited this from my Grandmother, who was born in England in 1900

The pattern is quite intricate - called Brooklyn by the look

Despite searching the web for several hours, I cannot find this mark anywhere  Please help if you can, Thank you

It's Myott, Son & Co who were based at various sites in the Potteries and the mark dates from 1900. It seems to have been used amongst others until the late 1920s.  Brooklyn is the pattern name.

Thank you so very much, I should have just asked on this forum in the first place, you are so very helpful.

We try but don't know everything!

cookiepops wrote:your plate is indeed 1930's and the 2628F is the pattern number.  Myott china was mass produced along with many other manufacturers.  I found the pattern on the Replacements website but no pattern name, the earlier patterns never seemed to have a name

Sorry if this is off topic, just wondered.

I had a trio in this pattern on watch the other day in ebay so recognised it and went to have a look. What about pattern 1206? (Green version, search for art deco myott 1206 in completed listings) It seems identical, can identical patterns have different pattern numbers?

Hi Emma, I think you are talking about the green and gold/grey trio with the decoration as the grey/red & gold plate above.

Using a different colour way would mean a different pattern number and it is the reason why I think the red/grey decorated plate is 1950s, as the pattern number is higher than the one on the Art Deco trio you refer to.

studio-pots wrote:Hi Emma, I think you are talking about the green and gold/grey trio with the decoration as the grey/red & gold plate above.

Using a different colour way would mean a different pattern number and it is the reason why I think the red/grey decorated plate is 1950s, as the pattern number is higher than the one on the Art Deco trio you refer to.

hi, i dont understand why a different colour of the same pattern would change the pattern number, not everyone does that, anyway, thank you for explaining

Pattern numbers are not for the customer but for the factory and wholesalers benefit. Much easier to give a specific number that tells the factory the pattern plus colours rather than having to state a pattern name and the colours required. That is of course when you have a completely painted pattern like the ones we are talking about.

For transfer patterns such as Brooklyn above there is no need to specify colours, as it is almost entirely from a pre-prepared transfer. There are minimal gold additions, hence the paintress' gold painted mark on the back for factory quality control purposes.

Thanks studio-pots, learning.....

Does anyone know the artist HW on this pot and the date it was made

These jugs were made in the 1930s. Not a pattern I recall seeing before.
HW is probably the shape code, and 294 is probably the pattern code.

Myott Son & Co. Ltd weren't a style leader in the Potteries, more of a follower.

All the suggestions that I can find say that the mark came into use in 1936. It is certainly from that period when Clarice Cliff's Bizarre range was all the rage. The shape would come from a few years earlier but then the hand decoration would have been in brighter colours (orange and the like) but with the same freestyle pattern. The more mute colours do suggest that 1936 - 39 is when it was produced.

Thinking back I can't ever remember any specific names mentioned for pattern designers working for Myott but HW might be someone's initials. However, it could be a reference to something else, as DD says.

Whatever, it will have been painted freehand by one of the dozens of female decorators employed by Myott at the time and sold at a competitive price. Therefore it isn't a one-off or anything special.

Hi there,
Would appreciate some assistance to identify this set and how old it might be ? Is it unusual for the stamps to differ on the plates vs the rest of the set ? I couldn't find anything comparable when searching online.

It looks 1970s to me and as the firm merged with Meakin in 1976 and then had a Myott Meakin mark, I would have to go with the first half of the 1970s. Stylistically it looks right.

I have acquired 37 pieces of this set. The only information I have managed to find is that it was made in the 1940s. The number stamped on the back is 2187, along with a handwritten letter F on each piece. I am looking for any information regarding the rarity, the name of the pattern, what the letter F represents, and hopefully a valuation of some kind. Any help is appreciated!

This form of mark was used 1907-1930, and stylistically, is probably from the 1920s.
The number is the pattern code, the F is the decorator's mark.
Much tableware from this period didn't have pattern "names" as such.
Sorry but we don't enter into valuations on the forum.

Thanks for your response! I wasn't aware of the valuation on the forums thing, my apologies.

denbydump wrote:This form of mark was used 1907-1930, and stylistically, is probably from the 1920s.

That's interesting, as it is contradictory to the information I did manage to find in my internet scouring. (At least, as far as my understanding of the information goes, which admittedly is remedial at best.)
This is a screenshot from thepotteries.org site where I found this info:


It's the one that matched mine the closest, I thought. Do you have more information about the marks? I'm curious now!

I'm not 100% sure about that BY, Steve Birks is very knowledgable, but the war
ended in 1945, but decorated tableware was not produced during or after, until
the age of austerity ended in 1952, as I understand.
Stylistically I would still say 1920s, though some pre-war patterns were produced
afterwards, until the potteries design departments got going again.

Wow that's really interesting, Ty so much for sharing this information with me!
I'm inclined to agree about the style; my knowledge about such things is limited to the sartorial but the colours could definitely put it in that era, imo.

For valuations look on the sold section of Ebay UK. Equally look at the vast quantity of mass produced pottery that does not sell!