Studio Bowl Copper Glazed

big ed wrote:Wrong shape

Yes, her flared bowls that I have seen have quite a distinctive shape with a straight stem before they flare out. This doesn't.

Your description of Rie's usual flared bowls is correct Gareth but she did do other shapes and I have seen an image or two that have been similar to this.

The glaze from the images that Ed has posted certainly don't rule out Lucie Rie.

My main problem is with the dark stoneware body, which I can't recall seeing her use but I have not seen or handled enough of her work to give a definitive opinion, as Ed is aware.

Although the mark is difficult to make out, it still doesn't match Lucie Rie's back stamp.
With that shape and glaze it could be a South African import.

Lucie Rie's mark:

Yes , as John Says there have been shapes similar to this by Lucie Rie also glaze like this by her , she used Earthenware , Porcelain and Stoneware and sometimes a mixture , the glaze I believe is derived from maganese & Copper , the cusped inside of the bowl is also typical of her work , ok there is no Lr mark ,her little applied signature that I can see , there is something there though but very small , this bowl was thrown and when I bought it from the seller it was advertised as Lucie Rie Style , I didn't think for one minute that it could be ,on account of the mark looking like Poh Chap Yeap that's why I bid , but since then yeap has been discounted , so I will just have to keep looking at more pots etc , Paul you are correct in that it would have to be viewed in the flesh for a more positive opinion .

I know for sure that some LR pieces are not clearly marked. The Henry Rothchild collection in Gateshead have one on a high glass shelf which gives a good view of the base covered with glaze.

What is needed is some xray type technology akin to that used for paintings, that can see through a thin layer of glaze.

I think she also used an applied plaster of paris seal at times and these can easily be damaged or fall off especially as bowls were stacked on top of one another , saw abowl at the fair on saturday clearly icised lr but with a blue glaze I have never seen before .

Looking at it logically:
The chances of finding an a-typical Lucie Rie pot that's well marked are slim.
The chances of finding a typical Lucie Rie pot that's indistinctly marked are slim.
The chances of finding an a-typical, indistinctly marked Lcie Rie pot are vanishingly small.
I think you could probably work out what the mark is, if you stopped trying to make it look like a Lucie Rie mark.

Thanks Naomi,we are only trying to establish who made the bowl,the chances of finding a lucie rei bowl are slim , although I saw one at the shepton fair a few days ago , so that's that theory shot ,a reason that one would be available would be that the mark was missing and as experts are thin on the ground it would be dismissed quite easily, finally what do you mean trying to make the mark look like lucie rie? I find that comment a bit insulting to be honest , I personally bought it without thinking it was Lr in the slightest.

found a couple of bowls on line that have a similar-ish look , but who can tell from photos eh? With thousands of potters out there, you'll probably never get an ID, but my feeling is that it has a Japanese influence in the shape (if not directly made by a Japanese potter).


http://www.craftscotland.org/find-craft/details.html?id=ruth_elizabeth_jones

http://www.tortoiselife.com/trts/exhibitions/upcoming/ceramics-by-ryota-aoki-from-mi.html

Elements of Rupert Spira too i guess

Thanks Bisto, the top pic has the same coloured glaze manganese, I agree loads of potter could do ,,these type of pots , It would have to be seen by someone in the flesh ,I have been told John Bedding could tell a lucie rei a mile off , ( I don't know if that's true ) so maybe show him at alater date ,met him yesterday but me bowl's at home

Reply from Vads
Dear Enquirer,

This looks like one of Lucie Rie's pots, but it is difficult to say without seeing it in the 'flesh'. She had a contemporary who produced work very much in her style, and this could be one such pot. Do you live anywhere near Farnham? If so, I would be happy to take a look for you.

With regards,

Jean Vacher, MA, AMA
Collections Manager
Crafts Study Centre
University for the Creative Art
Falkner Road
Farnham

dantheman wrote:and the blu tack?

Really tried Dan it is toooo small , if it is a mark at all .

I think I will obviously have to take it along to people who have dealt with her work or similar work , so far three have asked to see it , only the v&A and shaw not replied as yet , still never mind that's what collecting is all about at times .

Maybe I should come clean and say that if anyone is responsible for putting the idea of it possibly being by Lucie Rie in Ed's mind then it's me.

When he originally bought it he PM'd me to asked me if I thought that it was by Poh Chap Yeap to which I was able to answer quite categorically that it was not. If nothing else of that I'm certain. The glaze is nothing like any that Yeap used and the shape is not oriental in form.

I have stated my thoughts on it earlier in this thread and don't feel in a position to give an opinion either way but wouldn't rule out the possibility of it being by Lucie Rie. I am only stating a possibility though and knowing who he bought it from, as I do, makes that slightly more of a possibilty - it would be interesting to know where they got it!

I know the seller was in St Ives the other week , I don't know where he sources stuff from but would be interesting to find out , I'm glad you put the Lr idea as an option John because if nothing else it has made me research a good bit more into her work and other stuff too.

Closer zoomed in image