Re: Vallauris (South of France)

by Susan Bearder March 15th 2009, 6:24 pm

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Also JMF marked Vallauris (AM).cricket..So is this 20thC? Susie

by **dantheman** March 15th 2009, 7:45 pm

I own this piece that shares the same subject matter,it is dated 1939

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by **tenpot** March 16th 2009, 12:03 pm

Dan is that pattern painted on or is it a glaze?

by **dantheman** March 16th 2009, 1:17 pm

weird that you should ask,I was just trying to work out that very thing just before going online.
It seems that the flower and foliage are within the glaze but I can feel the roughness of the circular highlights which are a light yellow in colour,as though it was fired twice?

Why do you ask?

by **tenpot** March 16th 2009, 4:22 pm

some pieces seem to be painted and not fired often with mimosa flowers I will try to dig one out and put it up. your cigale looks fired with a spot of paint put on afterwards

by **dantheman** March 16th 2009, 4:39 pm

the inside of the lid is glazed so it was fired,the wings of the cigale seem to have gold leaf or similar applied?

by **tenpot** March 17th 2009, 3:50 pm

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these are a couple of pots that have been fired but then decorated with paint I think one is marked menton the other vallauris the second one is also marked M Provence which I am hoping is by marcel Provence a chap who restarted the potteries at Moustier st Marie

by **tenpot** April 1st 2009, 4:17 pm

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Capron

by **dantheman** April 1st 2009, 8:18 pm

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I was wondering if everything stamped Capron was made by Roger?

by **dantheman** April 1st 2009, 8:21 pm

also any info on this stamp would be appreciated

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by **tenpot** April 2nd 2009, 11:57 am

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these stoneware pieces were made in the 70s Capron had a big atelier so he probably only made the original moulds someone called Leduc copied them and sold them cheaper (not signed capron but some unsigned) this caused capron to go broke and he had to sell up including the commercial use of his name so there could be things called capron not by him . that other stamp is interesting I'm looking into it what is it on?

by **dantheman** April 2nd 2009, 2:05 pm

it's on a clock & the signature 'peynet' is hand written on the front?

by **dantheman** April 2nd 2009, 2:11 pm

Raymond Peynet..I haven't come across him before?

by **tenpot** April 2nd 2009, 3:29 pm

Ive just seen that. You must know peynet's lovers Pip put started a thread about them. These are just illustations put on a clock face I would of thought after capron had sold the buisness whats strange is the madoura mark under the 'cercle du soliel ' mark I dont think it can be madoura pottery maybe the madoura shops were selling these . the cercle du soliel mark is a capron design but Ive not come across it before

by **dantheman** April 2nd 2009, 7:19 pm

dantheman wrote:I own this piece that shares the same subject matter,it is dated 1939

I just found a pic of an identical cigalle on the studio pottery website ,the pot was marked liberty?

http://www.studiopottery.com/cgi-bin/pp.cgi?item=501

by **tenpot** April 3rd 2009, 3:37 pm

they like calling things liberty on that site I think its L. Berty from st. Jean du Desert not Vallauris

by **tenpot** April 15th 2009, 4:02 pm

dantheman wrote:also any info on this stamp would be appreciated

I was talking to someone who knew Capron and they told me this was the mark of Caprons boutique also Capron was a great friend of Raymond Peynet who came and worked in his atelier . So my previous assumptions were not to accurate ,you live and learn.

by **dantheman** April 15th 2009, 4:09 pm

so the boutique would have unknown bods making pottery and Capron's name would be stamped on them? (the pots not the bods)

by **tenpot** April 16th 2009, 10:44 am

I think they were Capron designs but he had a lot of people working for him

by **dantheman** April 16th 2009, 11:58 am

tenpot wrote:I think they were Capron designs but he had a lot of people working for him

so would one have to buy Capron's early work to get a piece made by him?

by **tenpot** April 16th 2009, 3:28 pm

In the fifties he had 40 people working for him

by **dantheman** April 16th 2009, 3:40 pm

I guess just about all the pieces that Capron collectors buy were not made by him then...

by Annette April 26th 2009, 2:48 pm

Dont you think Dan that it must have been the same for people like Wiinblad who were pretty prolific but had to be commercial at the same time. Picasso at Madoura had people who made the plates etc and he painted them. Damien Hirst has large numbers of staff working on his projects. Successful folks like Capron were involved in so many other design projects that they had to work in that way. Happy

by **dantheman** April 26th 2009, 5:45 pm

I agree Annette but my question was an attempt to ascertain the date line after which it is impossible to buy a piece made by the hand of Capron himself.

by **tenpot** April 27th 2009, 12:19 pm

in the 90s capron was making his own sculptures had a couple of assistants but they were his pieces.Harry davis worked for bernard leach and my friend melinda made a lot of harrys pieces at the crowan pottery I think the important thing is the design not the hand most studio potters have someone throwing their pots. nowadays they are often in china rather than cornwall but thats another story

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