Re: Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One

by **dantheman** February 1st 2013, 1:41 pm

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Here's an 8" plate I bought over 20 years ago - can't remember where I picked it up, but it was cheap.

The body seems to be stoneware - what some here have called black clay.

Is the glaze on the back called 'serpentine' - the same one used on Guy Sydenham "New Stoneware" coffee set circa 1967?

The monogram on the plate is Carol Holden's, the one she used from 1966 to around 1968. It has the impressed Poole mark.

Were other Delphis plates and dishes - 49s, 81s or whatever - also made in this stoneware?

the black clay was used very little and mainly by Guy Sydenhan however stoneware was used extensively

by **cycladelic** February 1st 2013, 2:18 pm

Dan - would you say this is stoneware or black clay?

Also, were these Shape 3s slip-cast?

by **dantheman** February 1st 2013, 2:22 pm

looks like the black clay to me which would make it quite a rarity.
Most shape 3's were cast but I imagine yours was thrown and possibly by Guy

by **dantheman** February 1st 2013, 2:30 pm

Davee wrote:Went to see the parents today and took some pics of piece of Poole they have which ties in nicely with the previous posts. Picture quality is not too good, i was using my phone.

I don't think thay paid a lot for it, like most pensioners they're shrewd with their money.

by **cycladelic** February 1st 2013, 2:38 pm

Thanks, Dan

That piece above (from Davee) was clearly made at the same time.

I don't recall ever seeing any Delphis stoneware pieces. Do you have any?

by **dantheman** February 1st 2013, 4:03 pm

the Delphis glazes would burn if fired at stoneware temperature

by **cycladelic** February 2nd 2013, 1:54 am

dantheman wrote:the Delphis glazes would burn if fired at stoneware temperature

Dan, you really are the man... thanks for that nugget.

So, how about other Delphis pieces made in black clay? Have you ever seen any 49s or 81s etc?

Also, what do you think about the 49 with a small footring that seems to have Angela's monogram on it?

by **gareth-h** February 2nd 2013, 5:25 pm

Your question about the 49 is a good one and not one I can actually answer but I'll share my thoughts.

Looking at the glazes, the front seems to have the slightly matt studio glazes phased out during early 1967 but the back has the non-studio crystalline glaze introduced in late 1966 so 1966/7 it is.

Stylistically though it is a pattern I could imagine Angela Wyburgh painting as the small inner and larger outer circle with circles or horseshoes between is something she did (your one on the right is similar structure in fact) and it certainly looks like her mark.

So I guess there are two possibilities
1) Angela Wyburgh's dates are wrong in the book or
2) There was another paintress using the same mark in 1966/7.

by **dantheman** February 2nd 2013, 5:33 pm

we have found several errors re paintress employment history so it wouldn't surprise me if Angela was there in 66

by **gareth-h** February 2nd 2013, 5:44 pm

As often happens, just had a "similar picks" email from eBay with another one on sale at the moment (small footrim, 1966/7 glazes, two lines and a dot). Shrugs

by **cycladelic** February 3rd 2013, 1:40 am

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 Angela10

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 Angela11

Thanks for the replies.

Here's another piece with Angela's monogram. As you can see, the Poole transfer is blue, which I think dates it to 1966. What do you experts reckon?

by **cycladelic** February 3rd 2013, 1:47 am

dantheman wrote:we have found several errors re paintress employment history so it wouldn't surprise me if Angela was there in 66

I imagine the dates came from interviews with the women - in this case, Angela - at Poole. It's often hard to recall the exact dates of any period of employment... I know I can't remember where and when I've worked - certainly not to within a year. I usually talk in decades.

The only sure-fire way to get the dates would be to access records of the Inland Revenue or NI contributions. What are the chances?

by **cycladelic** February 3rd 2013, 1:54 am

gareth-h wrote:
So I guess there are two possibilities
1) Angela Wyburgh's dates are wrong in the book or
2) There was another paintress using the same mark in 1966/7.

Thanks again for the reply, Gareth. It's possible Angela took on a previous paintress's monogram, similar to what Shirley Campbell did with Geraldine O’Meara in 1966-ish. This then begs the question: Whose monogram is the first one?

by **cycladelic** February 3rd 2013, 2:20 am

Talking of blue Poole transfers - here's a Loretta Leigh 49 with one.

It's said Loretta worked at Poole in 1970 and the glazes and what there is of a 'footring' date it from around that time. Is the blue just a freak of firing?

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_ll_410

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_ll_410

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_ll_411

by **cycladelic** February 3rd 2013, 2:30 am

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_361_10

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_361_11

I used to think was was a Loretta Leigh piece, but now reckon it's a Carol Cutler one.

The Cs are not as rounded as her usual mongram, so what do the experts say?

by **dantheman** February 3rd 2013, 8:57 am

cycladelic wrote:

I used to think was was a Loretta Leigh piece, but now reckon it's a Carol Cutler one.

The Cs are not as rounded as her usual mongram, so what do the experts say?

you were right first time,Carol's designs were very distinctive apart from the very early pieces with the y. mark

by **dantheman** February 3rd 2013, 9:06 am

cycladelic wrote:
gareth-h wrote:
So I guess there are two possibilities
1) Angela Wyburgh's dates are wrong in the book or
2) There was another paintress using the same mark in 1966/7.

Thanks again for the reply, Gareth. It's possible Angela took on a previous paintress's monogram, similar to what Shirley Campbell did with Geraldine O’Meara in 1966-ish. This then begs the question: Whose monogram is the first one?

the main aim is to identify who done it (although I don't quite see why) but the design or style will usually give enough clues to id the paintress

by **dantheman** February 3rd 2013, 9:12 am

http://www.pooleroom.co.uk/index.php?main_page=page_3

by **gareth-h** February 3rd 2013, 4:33 pm

cycladelic wrote:

Thanks for the replies.

Here's another piece with Angela's monogram. As you can see, the Poole transfer is blue, which I think dates it to 1966. What do you experts reckon?

Yes, I think 1966 is right for this as well.

As to who else could it be, there was an article in the Summer 1997 Poole Pottery Collectors Club mag called "They Also Made Their Mark" which was a list of paintresses who were known to work at Poole but had no marks attributed to them (I thought there was a transcription of this on the forum but I can't find it just now).

One of the reasons that marks may not have been attributed is that they used the same mark as another paintress who tends to get all the attributions, such as may be the case here. The purpose of the marks was to calculate the paintresses productivity, it was not for the benefit of us collectors, so as long as a mark was unique at any one time it didn't matter if someone else earlier / later used the same mark.

There are two listed as "c. 1967" - Jane Fulcher and Jane Tilsley who I think could both be possibilities.

I know someone who may be able to get in contact with Angela Wyburgh, I'll see if I can get any more info.

by **gareth-h** February 3rd 2013, 5:21 pm

Well, can't think of anything. The bit about the magnolia stands, and I agree the front looks 1970 so Loretta Leigh but I have no idea where that shape came from.

by **dantheman** February 3rd 2013, 5:58 pm

quote="dantheman"]here's a list showing some of the decorators who didn't get into the Hayward & Atterbury Poole Pottery book

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 Normal11

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 Normal11

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by **cycladelic** February 4th 2013, 7:04 am

Thanks again for the list, Dan

I've typed up the names listed under Delphis and put them in alphabetical order, just so they are easier to read:

Judy Barrett 1968 – 1969
Denise Cooper 1968 - 1969
Sharon Cullingford 1975
Catherine Davie 1974 – 1975
Jane Fulcher c. 1967
Karen Guyatt 1977 – 1979
Elizabeth Hayne 1963
Beverly Mantel 1974 – 1975
Helen Robinson 1973
Lorraine Sanders 1974 - 1975
Theresa Smith 1974 – 1975
Jane Tilsley c. 1967
Jane Tomlinson 1968 – 1971
Janine Voyce 1973 – 1974
Maureen Wilkes 1972

by **cycladelic** February 4th 2013, 7:08 am

Here is one of Beverly Mantel's
Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool19

And here is Karen Guyatt's

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool20

by **cycladelic** February 4th 2013, 7:33 am

Here are a few I am not sure about:

CD - this is from a 60's piece, so I doubt it belongs to Catherine Davie
Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool21

CP or maybe LP
Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool22

CJ

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool23

FPP

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool24

JOB - maybe belonging to Judy Barrett

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool25

LG - could this could be Linda Garwood?
Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool26

R - I don't think this is Ros Somerfelt

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool27

R

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool29

R again, which looks like it could also be a U

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool30

WC

Poole Pottery 1960-1980 Part One - Page 23 A_pool31

by **cycladelic** February 4th 2013, 7:52 am

I know someone who may be able to get in contact with Angela Wyburgh, I'll see if I can get any more info

That would be great! I suggest Angela consults her employment records rather than simply depending on her memory.

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